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Ask the Experts: My kindergartner's behavior has changed dramatically for the worse. Is this normal? How should I discipline her?
Question: Since starting full-day kindergarten, my 5-year-old has had a complete change
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in her behavior! She was a child I would brag about how blessed I was that she was so easygoing and laid back. I never had to raise my voice or ask her to do something more than once or twice. Well now she is a kid on the edge! She uses words like stupid, dumb, damn, idiot and is more aggressive and full of anger it seems at times. I am at a loss as to why, except for the obvious. I know she is still adjusting to the full-day schedule and I have made some changes in my work. I used to run a full-day, in-home daycare program that she was in with our friend of three years. (You could say they were like siblings.) Now he no longer attends and my daughter only sees the children that are still in care two days a week just two hours each day. I know these are all big changes for a 5-year-old. I guess I just want someone to tell me this is all normal and not to worry. I also want some advice how to discipline as I've never really had to.

Answer: Yes, it is normal for children to have an adjustment period transitioning from preschool to kindergarten. As a daycare provider, you have undoubtedly witnessed this yourself. In fact, you may have soothed other mothers regarding this issue, but it is different when it is your child. You forget and worry. I'm not clear if you are still running your daycare from home or not. But, even if you have reduced your hours, it would be understandable that your daughter would be angry that her friends get to stay with you and she doesn't.

Her new vocabulary is certainly a concern. Talk with her teacher to find out how your daughter expresses herself during the school day, and how she is handling the use of inappropriate language and behavior in the classroom. Set limits with your daughter's use of "damn," "idiot" and so forth. You may want to encourage her to express her anger more appropriately. Storybooks are great at this age to launch a discussion about feelings and you can use the story to give examples of what behaviors or solutions you do or don't like. Try Mean Soup by Betsy Everitt for expressing anger, and Wemberly Worried by Kevin Henkes and The Kissing Hand by Audrey Penn for school anxiety.

In regards to your discipline question, I imagine you have been disciplining her since she was testing her independence at age 2 or 3. Clearly she knows your limits, and that is why she usually does what she is told the first time. So, although your parenting skills may need to grow and change as she does, give yourself credit for what has worked for you in the past. For additional parenting resources try books by: Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish; Jane Nelsen and Lynn Lott; and Lawrence E. Shapiro, PH.D.

A reader recently wrote in with this comment about the article: "This article is somewhat helpful, but it assumes the parent knows how to discipline, and that the child is responsive to it. My 4-year-old hasn't had to deal with any transitions lately, but he's been testing limits a lot! If he doesn't do what we ask, or mouths off to us, he has to go to the 'naughty spot' for 4-5min (like a time-out). Recently when we warn him that if he repeats his behavior he will have to go to the naughty spot, he just says 'well, I will just get up and run around and scream'. If we then threaten to send him to his room instead, he says 'well, I will just kick/hit the walls/floor/door and scream and jump on my bed and throw all my blankets/stuffed animals on the floor.' This talking back to us makes us very angry and his defiance leaves us wondering how to punish him. The last time he pulled this stunt, I made him sit in a cardboard box in a dark room, explaining that if he doesn't respect our house and family, then we can take them away from him. Also, we explained that if he throws/breaks toys, we will take them away and give (donate) them to other children that will appreciate them. Of course, I have no idea what the psychological impact of having him sit in a cardboard box is (note: there is no top on the box), but there has got to be a better way! We have even tried spankings, but he just says 'well, if you can hit me, then I can hit you/Daddy/my brother, then'. Yes, this is a 4-year-old talking! He is extremely bright, and that worries me. My husband and I work all day so he and his brother go to a daycare center. I've asked how they discipline, but they just use time-outs and he seems to want to please his teachers and earn respect of his peers, so he doesn't act out when he's punished at daycare. I'm worried since I don't want this behavior to continue or escalate, or be carried over into kindergarten. Please help!"

Debra Collins responds: Parents use tactics that are not helpful and often counterproductive when they are stressed. I think you have answered your own question as to the psychological impact this is having on your child. Your "punishment" can have either one of two outcomes. Children respond by either becoming withdrawn or acting out. Clearly isolating him and threatening him is creating a power struggle. It is also not a safe method and could get out of control very easily. He may want to please his teachers and peers because the environment and discipline method feels better to him. He is trying to let you know, by his behavior, that your relationship needs help. Children that are very bright and articulate can be a challenge to parents because it is not clear how much they truly understand. Their verbal skills are often more advanced than their life experiences and coping skills. I strongly urge you to get support for learning effective discipline skills. You can look for parenting classes in your area. Many large managed healthcare programs offer classes, or you can contact your county's mental health office for referrals. Private family therapists also offer parenting skills support.

Debra Collins

Debra Collins is a licensed marriage and family therapist. Debra has worked in both primary and middle schools as a school counselor. She gives workshops to teachers and students on a variety of topics concerning youth and families and offers parenting classes and parent coaching to parents throughout the Bay Area. Debra is also a mental health assessor for the San Francisco Unified School District.

Advice from our experts is not a substitute for medical or other professional advice and services from a qualified health-care provider familiar with your unique situation. We recommend consulting a qualified professional if you have concerns about your child's medical or emotional condition.

November 2007

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Comments From GreatSchools.net Users
09/30/2008:
"my 5 yr old daughter is the best thing that ever happened to me no matter what i go through it is worth it but latley she is so hard to control she thinks that she can do and say what ever she wants no one understands what i'm going through because she so sweet and innocent to other poeple but when it's just me and family she thinks shes running the whole show no matter what i say she as something to say back she thinks she can do what ever she wants and when she does wrong wich is often she just pulls this real sweet innocent roll and me and everyone else falls for it I just don't know what to do she is so smart and intelligent she suprises me i can't believe some of the things she comes up with she will tell you where to go and how to get there, no matter what i do it does not work from talking to taking toys all the way to spanking it does not matter she will straight tell me that she will do what she wants when she wants i don't know what to do does anyone have any advise"

02/14/2008:
"I'm so glad I stuimbled across this...I thought I was all alone in this, and sooo hoped it was a normal thing. Thank goodness it is!! How do you stop them, though? My 5 year old is driving us absolutely nuts lately. We are so not used to him not doing as he's asked straight away as usual. He used to be an angel, but now he's like a little tyrant! I know we're not handling it right, but still haven't seen any advice to make it stop. I've never had to discipline before, and trying to act as I normally do just ain't cutting it. Any further help here?"

11/6/2007:
"My daughter is in Kindergarten and has a problem taking instruction from her teacher. I created a behavior report for her teacher to complete daily to send home with her. She hides the form and denies ever receiving one. I tried several different techniques of discipline at home and nothing seems to work. If anyone else has had this issue with their children and has gotten it resolved please suggest..HELP!!"

10/19/2007:
"My 5 year old son started Kindergarten this year, and he has become more negative about things, even going to school. Every morning when I drop him off, his teacher has to pull him in to class, and he always tells me how horrible school was. Well, my son attends a top school in the state, and I volunteer in his class every Friday for the entire morning. I see first hand how great these teachers are. I don't understand why my son is hating school so much. He likes other kids, he enjoys learning at home, but just doesn't like the thought of going to school and he is even on a sticker program in class. This is because he's not listening to the teacher or participating when asked. There are three kids in the class like this, and it hurts to see my child singled out along with two others. Is there any positive words I can use to encourage him to look forward to school? I'm a very positive person, so I don't know where he gets all this negativity. Help!"

08/6/2007:
"I haven't yet experienced this type of behavior from my daughter and I hope never to see it from her. However, if she does exhibit something close to it, I will have this information to check back on and have my concerns resolved."

01/10/2007:
"This article is somewhat helpful, but it assumes the parent knows how to discipline, and that the child is responsive to it. My 4 year old hasn't had to deal with any transitions lately, but he's been testing limits a lot! If he doesn't do what we ask, or mouths off to us, he has to go to the 'naughty spot' for 4-5min (like a time-out). Recently when we warn him that if he repeats his behavior he will have to go to the naughty spot, he just says 'well, I will just get up and run around and scream'. If we then threaten to send him to his room instead, he says 'well, I will just kick/hit the walls/floor/door and scream and jump on my bed and throw all my blankets/stuffed animals on the floor'. This talking back to us makes us very angry and his defiance leaves us wondering how to punish him. The last time he pulled this stunt, I made him sit in a cardboard box in a dark room, explaining that if he doesn't respect our house and family, then we can take them away from him. Also,! we explained that if he throws/breaks toys, we will take them away and give (donate) them to other children that will appreciate them. Of course, I have no idea what the psychological impact of having him sit in a cardboard box is (note: there is no top on the box), but there has got to be a better way! We have even tried spankings, but he just says 'well, if you can hit me, then I can hit you/Daddy/my brother, then'. Yes - this is a 4yr-old talking! He is extremely bright, and that worries me. My husband and I work all day so he and his brother go to a daycare center. I've asked how they discipline, but they just use time-outs and he seems to want to please his teachers and earn respect of his peers, so he doesn't act out when he's punished at daycare. I'm worried since I don't want this behavior to continue or escalate, or be carried over into Kindergarten. Please help!!"

01/10/2007:
"I will speak from my own experience... First the words that we do not use: He got Poopy head, stupid and others from school and strangely enough, some cartoons use these words. I even go as far and screen television and making sure he is protected. But to my surprise we were watching several family shows like 'America's funniest videos' where a kid opened a Christmas gift and said, 'what the Hell is this!!' it took me weeks to get him to stop. Not to mention on regular daytime shows they use the words openly 'damn,bitch,shut up,and hell'. So if you walk out the door for 2minutes, someone may say it. The only channel we can watch and I walk out of the room is HGTV. Even the commercials are safe. Any hoot when my son was aabout to go to preschool, the best advice was that he WOULD most definitely pick up bbad habits, no doubt. If you do not do it at home, it came from someone/where else. Also my son would get upset at school or at out which I figured to be TRIGGERS. meaning if someone was bullying him or felt he was treated UNjustly and no one did anything or helped him cope with the emtions on the sot, it built up. Being bullied changes who they are because if they dont learn to express themselves or use their words it exploded internally into negative feeling which I think can lead to depression or anxiety. (I was depressed as a child because I held EVERYTHING in and when I had the courage to speak up,I was irate. So here are many different scenarios. I hope it helps you. The best thing I do is take my son to a park or fun activity with limited interruptions and try to get him to talk without him feeling I am prying or giving a lecture. It usually works. Maybe you and your daughter can plan a tea party weekly( me and my son have picnic in the house or outside) I tell him this is a time for us to talk and say how we feel and what we like to do. You can make up your reason. We plan pretend and he laughs. But you will get clues about how! she is feeling piece by piece. Eventually you can put the pieces together and figure out the clue to the problem( like Suzy said I was...or Bobby always...or John never shares..or Jane said she is not my friend) Once you have the clues you can give her some remedies to how she is feeling. So once again either they are simply bad habits you need to break or peek inside of her heart. Oh another thing I learned is when they say a bad word is the rhyme the bad one away, but it worked at 2 years I dont know about 5yrs. But once my son heard an aunt slip and say shit and I had to immediately rhyme to get him to stop saying it by going.. what spit, sit, it, pit, hit, sick, wick etc.. he never said it again. I read while pregnant telling them to stop only fuels their fire. Good luck to ya, sorry for the long book. But I know how you feel. you try to be a good mom, teach manners and etiquette and here comes some kids whose parent who are not as cautious and poof, there goes all the hard work...TEMPORARILY that is. As far as discipline, I woudl tell her it is not acceptable and that we will have to take away a toy or go on timeout. tell the teacher about the words she is learning and see if they can talk to the other parent of the perpetrator. Chow darlink."

01/10/2007:
"My child too has had trouble adjusting to going to Kindergarten. I find that sometimes she just gets so overwrought that all she can do is cry Mommy, mommy, mommy, over and over. I just stop whatever we are doing and hold her tight and make sure she is getting enough down and quiet time. "

01/10/2007:
"I can sympathize with this mother. I also have a kindergartner on the edge. He comes home with daily complaints of tattling and says he 'hates' so n' so and also school. He has Asperger Syndrome, a form of autism and is not currently receiving services or accommodations. His frustration is building daily and I for see some difficulties. My son has also started using words I don't approve of. Words like stupid, idiot, punk, hate, and expressing anger with other comments that sometimes I find disturbing. And when I ask his teacher....she paints a pretty picture...which is hard to believe with how unhappy my son is."

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